collaroy sea wall protest

And ALL received in a 3 day period 17-19 July 2017. BB has there been any attempt to take the process to the Land and Environment Court? Those properties are the responsibility of the owners. "The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated." Thats just a done deal. Hi Lost, yes there is another option - see my 2 posts above. Surely a planned retreat is the only way forward. Adjacent a second wall constructed just to the north, the half finished revetment was torn to rubble with dangerous rebar, boulders and cement being washed into the surf zone. The council will buy me out at any price if things get too hot". It's going to be carnage there this morning & yesterday afternoon even, solid 6-8ft sets on a big high, anyone heading down for a look? The matter is currently under investigation by Environmental . My comment in the other article also notes that across this region, "it is illegal to establish, maintain or use a spoil ground or other ocean disposal point (including dumping materials at sea)". The majority of these companies are legitimate businesses set up by Yakuza. As the article states, in terms of erosion, vertical walls don't work and actually exacerbate the problem. It certainly doesn't make it the best decision though. As a result, if the sea erodes the shoreline (and the tidal level moves inland) it encroaches upon land once part of someone's private land title. Pipeline specialist injured while duckdiving in heavy waves. I dare say the neighbours are on notice too. Anybody heard of rising ocean levels & retreat by wealthy landholders who where allowed to build in the dune systems which nature designed to replenish the beaches? "Have you ever seen such a magnificent view as the one from our balcony overlooking this active volcano? They have just invested in an asset that requires 60 years of maintenance. The market knows the insurance companies know this. Maybe "Collaroy" is the aboriginal word for "Stupid White people"? Ignorant clown" BB who is getting the sand which has gone from here? More than a year after severe storms damaged property in Collaroy, construction of a long-awaited sea wall is underway. It only does BOUSSINESQ wave interaction and NOT sediment transport but you can still get a lot of good design-feedback High-quality Collaroy Beach Wall Art designed and sold by artists. Looks like the council are aware of the liability concerning the still submerged rocks. Granted the Reality series and Aero are ludicrously expensive at the $2,000 barrier, but they're promising to push a more immersive, satisfying VR experience that delivers on incredible fidelity. That ABC article is spot on when it comes to waterfront properties. "community engagement", and my personal favourite "building resilience". The wall is set to be seven metres tall, but three-quarters will then be covered by sand brought onto the beach. @Tango Any system that affects the coast from a different angle upsets the balance of that orientation and the system then takes considerably more time to re-adjust. They blend in quite nicely and have provided easier access to the breaks and so far been a success in the regions theyve put them so I fear theyll continue to put them in everywhere thinking they wont caus too much damage to beach profiles elsewhere. You can go to court to complain about the price, but you cant object to the acquisition. Ive already done some research but the swellnet knowledge base is one of the best in this area. The theory is that the waves break further offshore, soaking up wave energy that would otherwise erode the leeshore dune system during storms. Though still in its early days, the reef - which cost $18 million - has maintained beach width since it was completed in 2019. No more excuses for your terrible workmanship anymore. Links relating to the City of Sydney, and NSW in general - please read our rules before Completely agree that not all beach owners are cashed up pricks. A new wavepool development for the Sunshine Coast points to the future of pools in Australia. The obvious one is disaster relief which will be a given in the medium to long term for the repair of the wall and its impacts to adjacent beaches. If anyone used it and saw the second DA let me know. What some consider the ugliest wall in Australia could soon be bigger, with residents pushing to extend the Collaroy seawall on Sydney's northern beaches. Instead they provide a caveat for bulldozing sand from low on the beach to higher on the beach in times of heightened storm activity - which only lowers the beachs natural defence system. Photograph: Northern Beaches Council Library Local Studies. Holds more water and replenish the beach? https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/28/world/28israel6/28israel6-sup https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/g Basque Wavegarden Project Has Far-Reaching Implications, Watch: Ryan Callinan // Beneath A Pear Tree, Kala Grace In Dramatic Rescue While Competing In Backdoor Shootout, 'Corners Of The Earth: Kamchatka' Tour Dates, Watch: Cronulla's Jarvis Earle Wins World Junior Title. It would have been a bargain 20-30 years ago to buy the properties and return the space to the public for the purpose of more effective less intrusive, natural and cheaper remediation efforts. Though they were quick to remove signs only recently erected on the beach.. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/council-was-asked-about-danger-signs To be replaced with signs "Collaroy artificial reef project 2023", This is a glimpse of what a beach could be; following sensible Council planning; (post storms in 1974) eg. Should have taken the high road. It might take a bit of digging to prove it, but the evidence is accumulating already. It's important to also recognise, the wall is entirely on private land. They are the real villains, as regardless of what anyone says or does, these idiots can allow or disallow engineering developments so the buck stops there! All the sand has moved south east where previously there were great rock lagoons there is now 100 metres of sand dunes. https://www.swellnet.com/comment/772908#comment-772908. This will give all all a better insight into what's going on with these projects. Yulex geta second chance at a first impression, and this time they makeit count. Ignorant clown. I avoid it because I dont think anyone truly is except for a small % of big players who manipulate the market (or act like the house) and the rest just ride the peaks and troughs. Yep. As a result, dried out sediments are carried by the wind towards the land. Therefore, the group of Narrabeen and Collaroy residents are not successful in addressing the issue of coastal erosion. https://www.acma.gov.au/zone-protect-sydney-submarine-cables, That makes sense Ben. Tetrapods work but don't protect the adjacent beach very well unless there are multiple groynes. Both Brendan Donohoe and Angus Gordon, and other people Swellnet spoke to, admit to being blindsided by the construction. sea wall is perfect. Your browser has JavaScript disabled. Would suck if you got amalgamated into Northern Beaches council then had to pay tax for this. What insanity! There are 11 parcels of public land (including the Collaroy carpark, South Narrabeen Surf Club, reserves and road ends) interspersed between 49 private parcels of land that require protection. Council and State Government contribute 10% each. Yep need to see front on pic Well now we know who is responsible for this debacle. The Feds and States are the only ones with sufficient means to do anything, but for them its a case of not my problem. If that was the only report they did then it would be good to know on what scientific advice, if any, they changed the plan. Yamashita (2020) "Living together with seawalls: Risks and reflexive modernization in Japan". They are a method of hard engineering. My understanding is that the hard seawall was constructed with the specific intention to protect the private property behind the wall. Picture: Nearmap A subsequent image of Collaroy Beach from June 8, 2016. The best thing about it is that you can output actual 3d animations of the simulation so that EVERYONE can understand the results. Seawalls have the inevitable effect of reflecting and concentrating wave energy and accelerating erosion. What sort of idiots approved this shit? @dawnperiscope. A barrier reef in place would no doubt have knock-on effects. There's only a loss to be made for the purchases. There are three main types of seawalls: vertical, curved, and mound. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen, hope they don't actually use that pathetic demo to help make a decision on what is going to be built to stop erosion. (This statement also doesn't specify what type of HARD structure. This paper by John Corkill is worth reading if you're interested - he's a legend. Hopefully there's someone with deep pockets able to go after the truth of the matter. Apologies for misreading you. It looks like Chernobyl. The track became a road. Engineered to Australian Standards. The reason is the appearance of a concrete seawall along a stretch of beach between Wetherill Street and Stuart Street, which both run off busy Pittwater Road. The root cause is building on the foredune. A shame too, as it would probably be a good strategy. We all know there is significant increases in sea level rise..are we setting a precedent that if your coastal property succumbs to coastal erosion, you should be financially compensated? Gold Coast City Council had a similar problem to Collaroy at Palm Beach Qld. Perfect future film location for backwash kook of the day. Existing market value must take into account that houses have erosion problems. How to Build a Seawall: Step 1: Conduct a thorough examination of the surrounding area and environment. The seawall is protected from the direct onslaught of waves by rows of granite boulders which are reinforced every year to stop erosion. This clearly did not happen at Collaroy. Not to mention the many brutalist houses dotting its once beautiful headlands. If the council are desperate to get a liability off their books then they have totally screwed it. Its like something out of a dystopian movie. Tonights high tide is 1.34m, tomorrow morning is 1.96m. And it would also provide some useful evidence for fighting against any similar future proposals. It would be a good idea to put in a surf cam in that pans up and down the wall to document any changes to the beach, sand movements, erosion problems etc. Certain death. Given that it seems to fly in the face of best practice, has anyone asked what the NSW Coastal Council has to say about it? The first application for a sloping structure was widely publicised and accepted by most who saw it. I think the wall is actually a good warning of exactly what governments mean by "adaptation and mitigation"..expensive projects for the construction industry rather than sound ecological management. And in the approval documents was there a long-run cost benefit analysis evaluating the 2 treatment options of wall versus buy back and restoration. And please take a look at all the other ridicules things Coastal engineers are doing around this country so you can see the pattern of incompetence I am referring to. Separately at the Collaroy pool end of the beach when the walk way became unstable they just craned in these massive bags of rocks on top of each other and said job done - ugly as fuck. @dawnperiscope Probably not council's fault then, happy to blame the owners! In a story on Northern Beaches Review, Bob Orth, who lives in one of the houses behind the seawall, said the seawall should inspire others to do likewise. Comparing the swell to those of last year it wasn't of any major significance but it shows the futile efforts trying to protect property with a hard structure. It's been seven years since the last, but the event has been called on off for this Wednesday - Hawaiian time. The also don't grow in sand so they won't be of any use to prevent coastal erosion on our open-ocean beaches. I put up links to both DAs the other day. More than double in wealth the last 7 years. The sheer number of cables there suggests to me that an offshore reef proposal would be unsuccesful. They can be excused as they thought theyd be informed before any such works took place, as per the 2016 Coastal Management Act. My understanding was that council were looking at a rock revetment as they'd given approvals to a couple of other DAs for rock revetments, says Gordon. The sea wall forms a permanent, stationary barrier between the sea and the land. https://www.9news.com.au/national/weather-nsw-sydney-collaroy-surfer-pul Sydney 'Living' Seawalls the above-average wave heights and elevated water levels are to blame. Buy backs should only be an.option when they contribute to an environmentally sound solution. Unfortunately groynes or artificial headlands are not part of the certified Coastal Zone Management Plan CZMP (2014). My experience with compulsory acquisition had to do with a Sydney motorway a few years back. https://eservices.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/ePlanning/live/Public/XC.Tr First red light! Offshore reefs would be expensive , but we are already spending 100's of millions on bad solutions that actually cause more problems than they solve so money cannot be used as an excuse. At the opening, Mayor Michael Regan spoke fondly of Toms achievements crediting him with adding swathes of precious coastal habitat for protection for future generations. The Mayor also unveiled a plaque that mentioned the line in the sand protest. nothings going to stop him on his daily dip. exports the same quantity of energy in green electricity and hydrogen as it exports in thermal coal and liquefied natural gas. They must only exist on a dense (and expensive) schedule of maintenance, no doubt. For those who may not know, the private land issue is complicated in NSW in particular (less so in other states) by the existence of ambulatory land boundaries which are set at various levels of the tide eg mean high water. This wicked problem is a result of intergenerational dumbness. Man, that'd get old real quick, happy to pass. The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated. processes currently-exported iron ore, bauxite, and alumina into green. For example, during sunny conditions in Collaroy beach, constructive waves transport eroded sediments from cliffs and headlands to build up the beach. Apparently this is just one part of the seawall. Operates out of the same premises. Yes and do they have tactile indicators in the correct place? All the reaserch I did seemed to show that the headland affect and beaches just north of those headlands, i.e. Given Council has already completed protection works on public land, and there's been a lot of talk about the owners' seawall, understanding all the facts is important. This is the only plausible outcome from the hard seawall construction and the engineers would have known this. A concrete seawall designed to stop coastal erosion is being built from Collaroy to South Narrabeen on Sydney's northern beaches. You don't have to look around the world because the Gold Coast has implemented the only effective "non- ugly as fuck" option at Palm Beach Qld. Will be interesting after another summer if potential strong easterlies due to the La Nia. I first noticed them when I went to Nijjima island in the early 90's and asked what were they reply was to protect the land from erosion.they actually had the moulds for the TP's there and just kept making them when needed.. Its an issue the whole coastline, councils desperate to get what is a liability off their books and some homeowners, beachfront, genuinely caught out by it. Usually done by compulsory acquisition with the government working off existing market prices. In 2017, Gold Coast City Council funded, in conjunction with threatened property owners, an artificial reef offshore from Palm Beach. good pics there willi, hadn't realised this. That means that the Feds have all the money, the States some and the councils bugger all. Would be very interested in knowing what other options were considered and why they were discarded Yeah it's easy to get caught up in the house situation, but the road is at exactly the same height and built on sand too. They have just set a precedent for the whole east coast of poor me multi millionaire landowners to set up squeaky wheel collectives. It's an interesting point whether you just blame the owners for buying a house in such a risky area and hoping taxpayers will bail them out, versus the fact that the council must have approved people building houses there in the first place (although possibly a very long time ago), "Professor Short said the council bought properties along the beachfront and turned them into parklands in the 1970s and attempted to put a moratorium on redevelopment in the 1980s, but lost its case in court.". However, the residents focused primarily on the protest against the sea wall while not suggesting any alternate solutions to solve the coastal erosion, and therefore, failing the 3rd criteria. My guess is that their engineers took a different view of how to best manage the situation. Plenty others have discussed it. When the CBA or risk assessment work is done with good information about the things to be lost (eg the beach, public access, amenity, etc) it can shift the outcome of the analysis significantly, particularly the "do nothing" which is actually doing something. The council had an interest in preventing future erosion impacting Pittwater Rd, the main north-south artery on the NB. Just last March of 2019, the Northern Beaches Council succeeded in convincing the State Government to chip in on the assistance package to be given to Collaroy residents for the construction of the sea wall. I've looked at the general location plan of the cables and it seems there is a good say 500m- 1000m distance between groups of them along the beach, and they are buried for the first 500m out from the shore, so I would say there is a good chance of working within those areas in consultation with the cable authorities. There have been high profile storms on the NSW East Coast since the mid-70s. Edit: The estuary was in an area protected from the ocean and the cliffs only faced small wind chop and the tides. Photograph: Lewis Isaacs/The Guardian Beachfront residents back. Is Carties a perfect candidate for a coastal engineering and resculpting project that kills two birds with one stone: that fixes the harbour entrance shoaling problem and turns Carties into an actual quality wave? High rises to sea walls. They are trying to protect a life saving club, which footings lie directly on the sandunes that eroded due to not only the waves but also the changing in direction and position of the mouth of the river (natural process). The houses up the dune with no apparent erosion would be an apple compared to these lemons (for now). Such a shame that it's not like California or other US states where the owner has no right to protect their land from erosion etc. Same stretch of sand - another wall to protect public assets - https://www.scs.nsw.gov.au/soil-conservation-services-projects/collaroy- Gary G has been erecting hard structures in the dunes around Victorian beaches for years. Fvck the coastline. It might be cold comfort to the home owners, but there's always a certain risk to be taken, anywhere you might choose to live. This is an example of the walls theyve been placing. We need to get all the data and expert opinions out in the open before decisions are made. Lets bring it on. Not sure how they would fix them to the sand though. besides Id rather just shout at my computer. I do know the metro area was excluded from the NSW Coastal Policy for a long time because it was seen as too difficult, and that the CLPS was focussed on environmental values. Instead, sand nourishment is the popular solution to maintaining beach width, though both Donohoe and Gordon are feeling once bitten and skeptical of any council promises. And the properties either side?? consultant reports and community consultation no doubt funded by state money. Craig - we are expecting you to be down there at High Tide 11pm tonight with your Torch and Box Brownie for some more pics, Nah wait 'til tomorrow mornings high. Stick your comments up your arse fuckwit engineers dont approve shit like this they get paid to do what they are told direct your retarded comments at millionaire house owners and council you piece of shit. No fuckers complained about the rebar reef. In 2002, about 3000 people took to the beach to protest a planned sea wall, concerned it could destroy the beach. The idea has never been proposed for Collaroy. Stop wasting money and do something that will achieve the intended goals. Why would you bother acquiring the affected properties "at any cost", when they're likely to be washed into the sea? Owners of storm-devastated Collaroy properties on Sydney's northern beaches face paying up to $140,000 each for a new sea wall that might have saved their homes had it been there at the weekend. If no acquisition or buyback is made, then good luck to the owners trying to sell these properties. It shows how different combinations of coastal defences and wave and tide conditions affect overtopping and flood risk. Surfers, sun bathers and swimmers. Can somebody please sack almost ALL so called coastal engineers for Fuck's sake! Also, it's a not so secret secret, anyone who speaks out about this have been known to disappear. The software built for Kelly's wave pool was also a big leap forward to modeling actual breaking waves and I really hope they share that knowledge with the rest of the scientific community to help forward our understanding. Seems from my research, we have actually made a lot of progress towards physics-based numerical modeling of near-shore/beach environments in the last 20 years or so. Kimura (2016) "When a seawall is visible: Infrastructure and obstruction in post-tsunami reconstruction in Japan" Last Model Run: 15 Jan 11:00AM Local time (AEDT) 15 Jan 12:00AM GMT Data Status: OK. Run Age 9hrs. Basically the awarding of contracts falls across a couple of ministries. You can cry about why it wasn't their fault but that doesn't change anything at all. But it wasn't about the road - it was about appeasing multimillionaires who would have or should have known better. First it was a track. Embed Forecast. At what point are they a write-off? It didn't last long and within 12 hours the sand that was built up against the near finished first wall was 2/3rds washed away. Honestly he might be correct based on the Manly erosion hahhaa. and the sick irony of the beach access sign detailing the seawall works with all "enquires to be made While celebrating his record for coastal protection with a park on the Collaroy-Narrabeen stretch, Northern Beaches council was also processing a Development Application thatd threaten the very same beach. Establishment and set out of site survey control points. Here is the DA for the wall. Other than buy the land and let nature take its course Im really interested to know if there are any other options - not brutal like this but that might be effective ? It just doesn't make the engineering firms any money or contribute to gross state product under the current economic system. Newiie Harbour was pumping. Normally large swells from the SW have very little affect on the beaches around here because the great ocean rd is comprised of Rocky headland after headland. Posted the story from that link here. It's good to see some enlightened input from Brendan and Angus, both of whom have extensive experience in coastal management from planning and engineering backgrounds. The area has been slowly receding due to storm damage - theres evidence of erosion dating back to the 1920s - while at the same timebeing intensely researched by coastal geographers. I am thinking that sad as it may be, we will never be able to turn back the clock and have a natural passive coastline of Sandhills and trees. bit of a worry but, when you buy a nice piece of land by the ocean in high risk erosion zone..why do tax payers have to buy the property back,,,surely the owner knew the risks ? This is very different to Collaroy. Old bathing boxes which were on long piers sitting out in the bay are now sitting in the middle of sand dunes. "Once this is up it'll be a momentum for others to do it too," said Orth. There is a significant risk that, as Craig suggested, end wall erosion will simply move the problem and lead to calls for extending the wall. Sorry Peter but we can't just take you on your word for it. This was done to ensure the wall would be up before people realised what it was. Here's a screengrab from the website about the proposed breakwall extension: It seems that the main concern about the extension is the interruption of the natural flow of sand onto Mooloolaba beach and hence increased erosion risk. Zen, it looks like an absolute disaster but Im guessing its not so much about coastal erosion but more about tsunami mitigation?? From deep state secret spot to modern media darling, what lessons can we learn from Cape Solander's evolution? Beaches like Bondi still had sand dunes and likely better banks all around. On top of this they have places sand band grounds out perpendicular to the sandunes. Lake that has been going on for the last 20 years. Make his name famous: Peter Horton. collaroy vs long reef, have always had signifcant erosion issues. Here's the Maritime Safety Queensland website link and here's what appears to be the numerical modelling report upon which a lot of decision-making on the issue is based. Hourly Multiple Swells Wind Highlighting Model Units ft, mph. The council will be the lone 'interest'. The total contribution of both the Council and the State is $3.46 million, which is 20 percent of the total cost of construction. But if I get burnt out, then someone's going to be held to account"! It is possible that this is part of the Silverback's Seachange pork barrel rollout. As you know we have the Great Ocean Road down here , which was a huge Tourist attraction ( before Covid.) I looked into this again yesterday. as my old mate hutch likes to say. I think this was done for the first DA, the sloping rock wall, rather than the vertical one that was actually built. A development application (DA) before Northern Beaches Council would see two additional sections of vertical wall built 50 and 30 metres in length straddling the South Narrabeen Surf Club. I do however feel there needs to be more separation regarding fact and opinion in your article. Can't wait to see the classic "Dick and Balls" painted on that big ugly fucker. It would be the same as for any development adjacent to the cables where they make landfall. It would be fantastic to see an interview with someone from Many Hydrolics as they did all the Scientific modeling and have been very open in sharing their data. Pretty incredible and frightening stuff. 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